tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143409168229764050.post2725032964606219525..comments2023-10-09T11:28:14.030-05:00Comments on The Adventures of Johnny Northside: "Decency Dead Zones" And Other Challenges Beyond The Hawthorne EcoVillage Success Story...Johnny Northsidehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03694273579383113753noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143409168229764050.post-54355534153662058082010-06-21T20:40:51.894-05:002010-06-21T20:40:51.894-05:00"If the cops don't hold back the dark hor..."If the cops don't hold back the dark horde of the thug onslaught who will??"<br /><br /> the people armed with a cell phone and the balls to <b>watch and call</b>General Disarrayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11307499881193804929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143409168229764050.post-68711371993780591112010-06-21T20:20:16.213-05:002010-06-21T20:20:16.213-05:00This argument is getting old.
The police have lit...This argument is getting old.<br /><br />The police have little to do with protecting our first amendment rights. In fact, <i>sometimes</i> the cops trample all over our rights.<br /><br />Some people haven't had good experiences with police in their past so it shouldn't be such a shock that they don't regard ALL officers as heroes. (Some of them are definitely heroes but plenty have been documented as corrupt... like the metro gang task force, etc).<br /><br />I think the anonymous poster is reading a little too much into Eyedea's comments... almost putting words in her mouth... "anti-police attitude", and "hostile attitude toward law enforcement." I see frustration in her comments but not all out hate for cops.<br /><br />anon 6:23 said:<br />"Calling 911 alone doesn't stop the thugs, only the police can do that."<br /><br />You contradict yourself. Only the police can stop the thugs, huh? Then why do we have to call 911?<br /><br />IT'S A PARTNERSHIP. There aren't enough cops to be everywhere, and without good neighbors calling 911 the cops will only be partially effective.Hanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09120145221730649939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143409168229764050.post-41083493507465204122010-06-21T18:23:58.372-05:002010-06-21T18:23:58.372-05:00Eyedea,
You have the right because the cops are t...Eyedea,<br /><br />You have the right because the cops are there to protect your freedom.<br /><br />If the cops don't hold back the dark horde of the thug onslaught who will?<br /><br />Calling 911 alone doesn't stop the thugs, only the police can do that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143409168229764050.post-4474065830609475302010-06-21T15:43:28.478-05:002010-06-21T15:43:28.478-05:00Oh yeah... Hero's... right.. just like the cop...Oh yeah... Hero's... right.. just like the cop that shot Fong Lee. He SOOO deserved that Medal of Valor AND his job back.. <br /><br /><br />I don't seem to understand why my dislike of cops seems to bother people so much. I have the right to say, think and write what I please. <br /><br />So....Get over it..General Disarrayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11307499881193804929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143409168229764050.post-40658365301034916672010-06-21T14:42:16.961-05:002010-06-21T14:42:16.961-05:00anon 4:47...
Who has a regular habit of "int...anon 4:47...<br /><br />Who has a regular habit of "interfering with police operations"?<br /><br />Is it John Hoff? Or is it the thugs who think they own Nomi?gung-ho Northside neighbornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143409168229764050.post-58843294673969238092010-06-20T16:47:29.221-05:002010-06-20T16:47:29.221-05:00John Hoff wrote: "And, by the way, since gung...John Hoff wrote: "And, by the way, since gung-ho Northside neighbors ARE going to participate in 911 patrols, and these neighbors ARE going to covertly videotape criminal activity, the city may as well support these volunteer efforts in various ways or, at the very least, not discourage this kind of thing or get in the way."<br /><br />Neighborhood patrols have been very effective in Northeast Minneapolis. They have a very good working relationship with the 2nd Precinct and work closely with the CPS's.<br /><br />Maybe the NoMi 911 patrol would be more successful and have greater impact if you worked cooperatively with the Police. Rather than tell them as you have stated above, that 'you're doing it whether they like it or not, so stay out of our way'.<br />Being "Gung Ho" against crime is great. Interfering with police operations is a crime. Why don't you ask the police for guidance and assistance before someone accidentally gets hurt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143409168229764050.post-15505341391413599642010-06-20T10:09:34.940-05:002010-06-20T10:09:34.940-05:00Eyedea,
Please take some time to review this page...Eyedea,<br /><br />Please take some time to review this page and reconsider your hostile attitude towards law enforcement:<br /><br />http://www.odmp.org/<br /><br />Police officers are heroes. They have incredibly difficult jobs. I'm sorry that you don't think more highly of them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143409168229764050.post-32071313312858392392010-06-20T03:17:29.791-05:002010-06-20T03:17:29.791-05:00The chip on my shoulder is from the lack of cops i...The chip on my shoulder is from the lack of cops in the streets when I was younger, the RNC also... I will not keep my BIG mouth shut..Cause last time I checked I have the right to say what I want. <br /><br />And I did not make that cop take that shift... nor did I make him become a cop.. <br /><br />I would just like to see more cops reacting to people that park in the bike lanes on Lowry. Or the ladies of the evening on Lyndale, How about the kid that just got his ass kicked after a house party had gotten broken up at 2AM!?<br /><br />They are quick to react when I call them but why are they not out on the streets investigating? <br /><br />Sometimes I'm sick of calling 911.General Disarrayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11307499881193804929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143409168229764050.post-26961293701790490862010-06-18T20:31:59.369-05:002010-06-18T20:31:59.369-05:00The following comment was posted by an anonymous c...The following comment was posted by an anonymous commenter:<br />------------<br />Apparently, the 'decency dead zone' extends all the way to Lind-Bohannon. I just got the kids home from the splasher there, and couldn't believe the mess that a group of 'ladies' and their spawn left. There were five soda cans, four empty plastic soda bottles, two dirty diapers (gross!!) and some plastic baggies. And they had to pass a trash can on the way to their black Mercury SUV license plate MN XXX XXX. What a bunch of filthy pigs!<br />-----------<br /><br />Because I can't confirm whether this is a true account, I have redacted the license plate in question.Johnny Northsidehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03694273579383113753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143409168229764050.post-26189480359355635102010-06-18T19:39:12.954-05:002010-06-18T19:39:12.954-05:00Anon 3:54, I have been in community meetings with ...Anon 3:54, I have been in community meetings with some of the very officers you mention, and have given them this information from people experiencing problems on certain blocks in Hawthorne.<br /><br />Either they were just being nice or they told the truth when they said that getting that kind of information from residents was helpful. "Always get the time of day, because we can't patrol every block 24 hours," was what Lt. Heimerl said to me.Jeff Skreneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14597476540441866248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143409168229764050.post-33319536952478562562010-06-18T16:12:59.021-05:002010-06-18T16:12:59.021-05:00I got a Little Caesar's ad in the mail the oth...I got a Little Caesar's ad in the mail the other day. It listed a location in the "Hawthorne" shopping center.Michael Spivaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143409168229764050.post-25217448632753606222010-06-18T15:54:38.160-05:002010-06-18T15:54:38.160-05:00Jeff, if you think a community meeting is the plac...Jeff, if you think a community meeting is the place where folks like Insp Martin, Lt Lindback, Chief Dolan or whomever finds out what time certain activity happens in a certain place, you got it wrong. <br /><br />Policing these days is highly dependent on this sort of analytical data and pattern mapping. <br /><br />But go ahead and tell them what they already know.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143409168229764050.post-73434644273092987472010-06-18T14:09:48.196-05:002010-06-18T14:09:48.196-05:00I too want to thank John Hoff and Peter Teachout (...I too want to thank John Hoff and Peter Teachout (and others no doubt) for all the work they put in.<br /><br />I would not be living in my wonderful house if they hadn't taken the risks and endured the stress of taking back this little section of Nomi. I signed the purchase agreement for my house having no clue that just a year earlier my street was crack and prostitute central.<br /><br />Living here has convinced me that citizens <b>DO</b> have the power to change their environment when they join together and organize. We simply cannot rely on the police/government to fix our neighborhood by themselves.<br /><br />So much has been given to me and I'm determined to give something back.Hanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09120145221730649939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143409168229764050.post-71357108854364867262010-06-18T07:34:26.332-05:002010-06-18T07:34:26.332-05:00In regards to the "not much of a compliment&q...In regards to the "not much of a compliment" comment, that's right, but I've been rather critical of Olympic Cafe and the place is growing on me. It's only fair that I say so.<br /><br />And I should clarify what I meant about telling MPD and others what time of the day things are happening. Obviously that gets recorded with a 911 call. But if you're at a community meeting discussing places like this, that's when it's useful to make such distinctions for those who will respond to the problem.<br /><br />I wish we could get police stationed at certain places 24 hours a day too, but resources are too thin.Jeff Skreneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14597476540441866248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143409168229764050.post-78627119692507970982010-06-18T07:19:38.537-05:002010-06-18T07:19:38.537-05:00Eyedea,
Who put that chip on your shoulder? The ...Eyedea,<br /><br />Who put that chip on your shoulder? The fine men and woman of the MPD are the ones who keep you safe from that "trash" on the streets.<br /><br />Cops are human and they're allowed breaks from time to time and are even known to eat food. Unless you know some particular officer's schedule you should keep your little mouth shut. He may have been up all night working a shift and now has to skip much of his sleep to go downtown to testify. Maybe once you've lived a little you'll get a better idea of what the world's like. <br /><br />This anti-police attitude is way too prevalent on this blog.Korea Vetnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143409168229764050.post-760203682328109712010-06-17T23:59:16.451-05:002010-06-17T23:59:16.451-05:00Maybe the cops should stop putting empty cop cars ...Maybe the cops should stop putting empty cop cars in front of problem stores/restaurants... cause they are in the store. talking with the cashier.. not on the streets dealing with trash.General Disarrayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11307499881193804929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143409168229764050.post-15376557745374839062010-06-17T21:05:17.244-05:002010-06-17T21:05:17.244-05:00Two points Hawkman:
1. Saying a place has staff/...Two points Hawkman:<br /><br />1. Saying a place has staff/clientele better than fire and ice (which sells plain white T's) is not much of a compliment; and<br /><br />2. Bad things happen at Hawthorn(e) sic. Crossings so much that the cops should be FOCUSED there 24 hours a day!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143409168229764050.post-32301481048197074312010-06-17T20:39:20.601-05:002010-06-17T20:39:20.601-05:00Thanks to John Hoff for putting forth this effort ...Thanks to John Hoff for putting forth this effort over the years. It's because of your direct efforts this neighborhood has done a 180. Please continue to lead this effort and increase the intensity. Without you there would be no Ecovillage for the rest of us to enjoy. Plus he's kind of cute in all those picutures.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143409168229764050.post-60870909596569849972010-06-17T18:18:20.060-05:002010-06-17T18:18:20.060-05:00telling them what time of day = calling 9-1-1telling them what time of day = calling 9-1-1Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143409168229764050.post-84992337332109791872010-06-17T18:08:30.433-05:002010-06-17T18:08:30.433-05:00A few thoughts:
First off, I've been to the O...A few thoughts:<br /><br />First off, I've been to the Olympic Cafe a few times now. I actually think the staff AND clientele are better than that of Fire 'N' Ice. The food's better too, although the Greek cheese fries are clearly an abomination.<br /><br />The jury's still out (in my opinion, at least) about whether the extended hours are good or bad, but I will say this much: I've seen some bad stuff go down in the wee hours of the morning on the rare occasions I made a McDonald's drive-thru run at Hawthorn Crossings. I haven't seen the same dynamic at Olympic so far.<br /><br />And when residents see things going on at stretches like Penn or Hawthorn Crossings, it's always best to tell the police WHAT TIME things are happening. If they happen all the time, that doesn't really help focus attention. Tell police and city officials when it's the worst so they can focus their attention on it at that time of the day. Or tell them what time(s) of the day you happen to be driving/walking/biking/busing through and see things. Give them something to go on.Jeff Skreneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14597476540441866248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143409168229764050.post-22854841948896825602010-06-17T17:24:21.372-05:002010-06-17T17:24:21.372-05:00I'm tired of watching the thugs suspiciously y...I'm tired of watching the thugs suspiciously yet being unable to spot any truly illegal activity that can be called in. I go for drives on Penn late at night and see all sorts of randoms walking around that are probably up to no good... but I just can't call 911 on those folks.<br /><br />As far as I know there's nothing illegal about dressing like a ho... nothing illegal about looking like a drug dealer... nothing wrong with standing near a bus stop but never actually getting on a bus. I almost want to start making purchases myself just so I know who's who... or start taking flash photos of the suspected prostitutes so I know who's always out there and who's just minding their own business.<br /><br />It's maddening to <b>KNOW</b> what these people are doing, yet have no power to stop them.<br /><br />Do I have to see illegal activity before I call 911 or are mere suspicions enough?gung-ho Northside neighbornoreply@blogger.com