tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143409168229764050.post6804378699264228723..comments2023-10-09T11:28:14.030-05:00Comments on The Adventures of Johnny Northside: Criminal Record Of Charles Means, 21, Who Died At 2600 Block Of Penn Ave. N.Johnny Northsidehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03694273579383113753noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143409168229764050.post-21536365791232327322010-09-22T21:56:36.357-05:002010-09-22T21:56:36.357-05:00You fucken sound so stupid. I hate you so much and...You fucken sound so stupid. I hate you so much and you is bogus for just saying that about my fucken boyfriend. I will fucken sue you and spit on your grave BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143409168229764050.post-56657120556639913822010-09-03T17:15:02.859-05:002010-09-03T17:15:02.859-05:00Epotiorin - fairly stale rap sheet? he has probabl...Epotiorin - fairly stale rap sheet? he has probably been locked up for three years and just recently released. Just in time to be murdered on the streets, where he lived and ultimately died. We gotta start telling the truth if we want things to change.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143409168229764050.post-40278310138401486642010-09-01T20:27:25.346-05:002010-09-01T20:27:25.346-05:00Not for nothing, but the most recent charge was th...Not for nothing, but the most recent charge was three years old, wasn't it? Are we content to judge a dead kid by merit of guilt by association and a fairly stale rap sheet?erinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143409168229764050.post-75050241189957709382010-08-30T09:41:36.089-05:002010-08-30T09:41:36.089-05:00The dude is still on the MnDoc most wanted fugitiv...The dude is still on the MnDoc most wanted fugitives list.Their up datingprocedures are pathetic along with their updating the latest crime news of any kind.Come on MnDoc you can do better than to let a deceased man sit on your list.I am apalled.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143409168229764050.post-35282496454046947262010-08-26T10:28:36.883-05:002010-08-26T10:28:36.883-05:00Anon 8:21 said "I think those kids deserve to...Anon 8:21 said "I think those kids deserve to hear "if you live your life like this, you are likely to end up like this". I think we owe it to youth to make things as crystal clear as possible."<br /><br />This is exactly right. I would go one step further and suggest that the adults in the neighborhood who perpetuate the SILENCE around youth violence by refusing to allow the truth to be spoken about, for instance, Charles Means are themselves responsible for the cycle of violence continuing. <br /><br />Adults have a responsibility to speak truth with compassion. You don't get to leave the truth-telling out.<br /><br />Demanding that the community remain silent about the choices that lead a young person to become a victim of violence just teaches youth that violence is completely random, that no choice that they make can possibly have the slightest effect on the outcomes of their lives. <br /><br />It also teaches youth to be silent aout the truths in their lives. <br /><br />Adults refusing to allow the truth to be spoken, and demanding that every victim be painted with the same brush as "an A student" and a "future leader" participate in the romanticization of the gangster lifestyle. Let the teenagers wallow in maudlin sentiment, leaving liquor bottles at memorials. That's what teenagers do--they are built to see themselves as grandiose romantic heroes just trying to get by in a tragic world over which they have no control. When ADULTS encourage this mindset, they are failing in their responsibility.<br /><br />Youth violence is an epidemic because many ADULTS are complicit with the youthful romanticization of the gangster lifestyle.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143409168229764050.post-84478654261976796362010-08-25T06:26:56.805-05:002010-08-25T06:26:56.805-05:00they may have turned their live around but people ...they may have turned their live around but people do not forgive and forgetAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143409168229764050.post-58788168805109080692010-08-24T03:01:01.732-05:002010-08-24T03:01:01.732-05:00Well, I had this long meander about the possible m...Well, I had this long meander about the possible meaning of Charles Means, but here is the short version: the dead are both less than we say about them after they're dead, and more than we ever knew about them when they were alive. All we purveyors of stereotype should take care.<br /><br />But on the question of how to "clean up" 2600 Penn, here is a thought-provoking article. I'm a bit of a critic of the "Broken Windows" theory--I think it's been applied far too literally, but I've been told I'm overly cranky about these things.<br /><br />Anyway, might spur some discussion about how to further develop the effort.<br /><br />http://www.bostonreview.net/BR27.2/harcourt.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143409168229764050.post-2564873342964348822010-08-22T08:21:14.391-05:002010-08-22T08:21:14.391-05:00I also appreciate Anderson's ponderings. And I...I also appreciate Anderson's ponderings. And I agree with much of what he said, and with what Hawkman said. <br /><br />To me, the biggest disservice about the glossy niceities is the effect it likely has on those kids within the deceaseds social circle. If they hear "he was a good kid" or words to that affect about a guy who lived his life on the streets doing god knows what, in and out of jail, associating with gangbangers, putting himself in positions where he (may) end up dead... well that is such a mixed signal to those that are still living, that are trying to figure things out, that are caught between a healthy, safe lifestyle and the street lifestyle. <br /><br />I think those kids deserve to hear "if you live your life like this, you are likely to end up like this". I think we owe it to youth to make things as crystal clear as possible. <br /><br />That is my beef with the gloss niceities. I realize it's all about giving kind words to the deceased and I think that is appropriate for the memorial service and a less publicized level of mourning. But publicly I think we need to make it clear his death was caused by wrong lifestyle choice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143409168229764050.post-36850002014655549722010-08-22T07:54:56.545-05:002010-08-22T07:54:56.545-05:00Anderson,
I agree with much of what you said, and...Anderson,<br /><br />I agree with much of what you said, and thanks for your words. However...<br /><br />I'm frankly sick of hearing the refrain of "he/she was a good kid who had just started turning their life around before being killed." This quite literally makes me ill.<br /><br />We're so quick to glaze over things out of a desire to respect the deceased and their loved ones. In so doing, we miss the question, "Why did this child's life need turning around in the first place?" Let's be real here. The majority of our homicide victims this year and in years past were people who had recently engaged or were at the time engaging in high-risk behaviors such as gangs, drugs, and other crimes.<br /><br />And although John's posting of criminal records is an incomplete picture, so are the glossy niceties that invariably appear in the Strib and elsewhere.<br /><br />So I feel you, I really do, on wanting to tell the whole story of these tragedies. I want the good things in these kids' lives to be lifted up and remembered. You asked a lot of tough questions in your comments, and I want to ask those same questions too. The criminal record is unfortunately a part of the equation.Jeff Skreneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14597476540441866248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143409168229764050.post-44709474357644688702010-08-22T05:47:32.735-05:002010-08-22T05:47:32.735-05:00I don't see anything wrong with posting the gu...I don't see anything wrong with posting the guy's info on a blog. If it makes him look bad, it's his own fault. Frankly, trying to gloss over crimes like carrying a gun when prohibited by making excuses about what a tough life the Mr Means may have lead up to that point only serves to infantalize him. The fact is, he was a grown man who made poor choices, who put others in danger (possession of a gun while prohibited). <br />It's not unreasonable to post this information. The rap sheet is a list of Mr. Mean's documented actions -he was an adult, not a child, so it's silly and pathetic to complain when he's called out on his own actions. A lot of people have tough upbringings, but not all of them chose to burglarize houses, physically abuse family members or people they are in relationships with, and carry around guns that they are prohibited from having -those are choices HE made, and to deny or gloss over that is to deny that this Mr. Means was a man like anybody else, and as such, should be expected to own up to his actions and decisions. <br />We should be more concerned with protecting the people who are willing to contribute to the world around them in a positive way than saving the reputation of a violent, gun toting burglar. I'm not about to feel sorry for a guy who has a history like this guy's. <br />Shedding tears for a criminal who likes to carry around guns? That's the problem with North, you guys get behind and protect the very people who would make you their victims.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143409168229764050.post-54388138747284972642010-08-22T00:36:51.130-05:002010-08-22T00:36:51.130-05:00Anderson,
Your point is nice and caring and kind...Anderson, <br /><br />Your point is nice and caring and kind and all of that.<br /><br />But children are killing children in our community. That has to stop. And those of us who have to work for a living don't have time to devote ourselves to the minutiae of every troubled families' problems in our neighborhoods. So let me ask you this:<br /><br />Have you thought about what other way there is to stop the cycle of violence besides calling it out in this fashion?<br /><br />If so please elucidate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143409168229764050.post-87960063686395286032010-08-21T19:31:14.753-05:002010-08-21T19:31:14.753-05:00I'm hopefully moving near there, I'll help...I'm hopefully moving near there, I'll help!Just Mugsyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05078215731009880751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143409168229764050.post-51492513346119676402010-08-21T08:28:34.002-05:002010-08-21T08:28:34.002-05:00In our society it is an unspoken tradition to not ...In our society it is an unspoken tradition to not speak ill of the dead, especially someone who died so young. I do not remember reading anything that said that this particular young man was a "good kid". However, I would wager that to someone he was a "Good Kid". <br />Johnny, if anyone wanted to find Mr. Mean's criminal record, they would/could have done the same thing you did. If you really want to do some investigating to get to the crux of the problem, dig into his history from the time he was born. I don't know, but I highly doubt that he was coming into NOMI from Edina to live the thug life. I wonder were drugs a part of his life from birth. I wonder what kind of nurturing and nutrition he had as a toddler. I wonder when he started school, was anyone ever at his school conferences, did anyone ever attend his extra curricular activities and encourage him even if he didn't make a touch down. I wonder did anyone sit with him and teach him how to read, tell him he was smart. I wonder did anyone tell him he was the only Charles Means that God made and that his life had value. <br />We all have choices but some have the choices of: bad, worse and unthinkable. "Unthinkable" to some people may have been just an option to Mr. Means. <br />Charles Means' death is a tragedy that goes beyond his wrap sheet. Johnny, in the future, I hope you will have some empathy for the deceased and their families, by not posting thier wrap sheets, and maybe try to find something positive about that person. Like Mama used to say. "If you can't say something good, then say nothing at all".<br /><br />Anderson Mitchell IIIAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02585619443030063551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143409168229764050.post-61182193681964259922010-08-20T12:51:23.690-05:002010-08-20T12:51:23.690-05:00let charles rest in peace. whoever ever the fagot ...let charles rest in peace. whoever ever the fagot is who wrote the article, you aint shi*.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143409168229764050.post-72520731597065948092010-08-17T17:43:20.898-05:002010-08-17T17:43:20.898-05:00Readers might be interested to read this new city ...Readers might be interested to read this new city pages article:<br /><br />http://www.citypages.com/2010-08-18/news/jerry-moore-has-a-controversial-past/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143409168229764050.post-7651027011143354992010-08-17T15:56:42.791-05:002010-08-17T15:56:42.791-05:00Yes...owning a business can become tiresome. But, ...Yes...owning a business can become tiresome. But, if the businesses valued the neighborhood, they would do whatever it takes to clean things up. Have they hired extra security? Do they call 911 when there is loitering? Have they gotten rid of any inventory that would bring in those that disrespect our neighborhood? <br /><br />I own a home 3 blocks off Broadway. I understand that my responsibilities are more then just mowing the lawn. It's calling 911/311, it's watching for susupicious activity, it's adding extra security systems for my home...there is additional work if you want to be a home owner...same goes for the businesses. If they are not ready to step up, then we have to put the pressure on them until they leave.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143409168229764050.post-33868667920297457132010-08-16T23:29:48.227-05:002010-08-16T23:29:48.227-05:00I've met the new owners and they mean business...I've met the new owners and they mean business. They won't be taking any more of the old riff raff that plagued this area. We all need to cut these folks some slack and give them time to weed out the thugs from their property.Patricknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143409168229764050.post-41042909863138091782010-08-16T16:24:57.429-05:002010-08-16T16:24:57.429-05:00More cluelessness from a neighbor in U-WHO. What ...More cluelessness from a neighbor in U-WHO. What a surprise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143409168229764050.post-31188827199074663402010-08-16T13:16:13.822-05:002010-08-16T13:16:13.822-05:00If they are still selling blunts, white t-shirts a...If they are still selling blunts, white t-shirts and the rest of the usual thugs regalia, they have not changed. Those items only will always attract the thug element. They can say they are different, but if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...then they are continuing the harm done by the previous owners.geektopia's keepernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143409168229764050.post-27557181063864171902010-08-16T10:52:05.636-05:002010-08-16T10:52:05.636-05:00JN - Thanks for posting this. All we hear is that...JN - Thanks for posting this. All we hear is that these are 'good kids,' completely innocent victims or 'trying to put their lives together.' You can read almost identical reports about the dual murder on Queen, and the one this weekend on Dupont. Not that anybody deserves to be murdered, but some people seem to invite it more than others.ClevelandGuynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143409168229764050.post-88778294589031535802010-08-15T17:49:36.478-05:002010-08-15T17:49:36.478-05:00Dan,
That's not my view of the new owners. Th...Dan,<br /><br />That's not my view of the new owners. They appear to be more of the same.Johnny Northside!https://www.blogger.com/profile/18182711866120550770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143409168229764050.post-69327553055721108382010-08-15T17:36:39.652-05:002010-08-15T17:36:39.652-05:00Penn Gas Stop, located on 26th and Penn the someti...Penn Gas Stop, located on 26th and Penn the sometimes troubled site has a new owner and he runs a tight ship. Lee, the lawn mower man as I call him because he is retired and fixes all sorts of things for his neighbors in his backyard that overlooks the parking lot of Penn Gas, reports that all the nonsense going on ended just days after Tannous took the business over. This is not meant to criticize the old owners, god knows they tried. It becomes very weary on a shop owner to suffer the fools that like to "hang out" on 26th and Penn. You can find Tannous and his father working all hours at their store so please do stop in and let them see all the good people in the neighborhood and wish them well.Daniel Rothernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143409168229764050.post-21034515579235630522010-08-15T15:16:35.814-05:002010-08-15T15:16:35.814-05:00I wonder if it would be possible to get access to ...I wonder if it would be possible to get access to an abandoned house for the purpose of undercover, "neighborhood watch" style surveillance.<br /><br />It seems like camping out in problem areas is the most effective way to keep the pressure on. You can only observe so much while driving 30 down Penn.<br /><br />I also wonder if cameras could be installed (similar to Lowry Ave.), but that might just push the criminal element to Queen Ave, or Oliver Ave.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9143409168229764050.post-53951350557832674992010-08-15T13:27:30.043-05:002010-08-15T13:27:30.043-05:00And people will say the same thing about you!And people will say the same thing about you!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com